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    PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:22 am    Post subject: Cricket vs 501 - which is harder to master? Reply with quote

    I was thinking today about the differences between cricket and 501 and thought cricket may be the more difficult game in general, if not to master at least.

    In 501 you of course need to be consistent in scoring just to compete. even more, perhaps, you need to constantly hit big scores on the 20's to master and couple that with the necessity to hit your outshots with a great deal of skill and consistency it can be argued it may be a more difficult game to master.

    But!

    In cricket you can't just be good on the 20's but rather you must be as good at scoring well on all the top triples 20 to 15 AND the bull. You must be able to hit well in all numbers with tight groups and high triples percentages. Once can argue that's no different than hitting lots of 20's in 501 but I contend that in a battle at a high level of play you may have to hit just as well, repeatedly, on the 15 as a master of 501 hits on the 20's.

    Furthermore, if that's not enough, you must be able to play with a strategy that will win and that means possibly shifting strategy mid-stroke, if you will, in order to manipulate your opponents throw.

    Since cricket is the only game in which you can force your opponent to do something other than what they might want to do, it's a different game all together. For example, it might start like a drag race (ala 501) but end in an all out point battle lasting many turns past any game of 501.

    I haven't drawn a definitive conclusion yet, but am wondering what you think?

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    PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Well, 501 really only has ONE strategy while cricket has many. 501 can literally be played by yourself (even against an opponent) while you can change your opponent's approach by what you throw in cricket.

    That said, you missed what most people have the hardest time with in 501 Erik! Math. Remember, you said "Master" not learn how to play. First you need to know what each double and triple is worth (immediately, not by calculating each one as you go). Then you not only need to know the multiple ways to take each out, but what you should be going for to leave a decent out!

    The first part is obvious: You may not think you have much of a chance of hitting a 167 out, but you have ZERO chance of taking 166 out! Then the less obvious, starting with 107 has fewer options and less probability than starting with 108 (which has FOUR ways to hit four of a number to leave an out). This means thinking ahead and, instead of hitting that final 20 to leave 107 or 67 (equally crappy), shoot at the 19's where a single leaves 108 and a triple leaves 70. Any time you start your turn on an out and you can hit four of the same number to leave an out it gives you more of a chance. Learning all of this takes a considerable time to master and I actually know very few people who have even tried.

    Needless to say, there's also math in cricket (you need to realize that four 19's is better than three bulls, and a double-bull is better than a T16, for example). If your chosen strategy includes staying "X" number of marks ahead then you'd better know some math. That said, there's far less of it in cricket.

    501: Once you know all the math, it's all about execution and ignoring whatever your opponent is doing.

    Cricket: It's important to know several strategies, to be paying attention to what your opponent is trying to do, to shoot whatever gives you the most value in any situation, and to never give up!

    Which is the most difficult to master? I don't know. I guess it depends on the person. If math is easy, then it's probably cricket but, if you intuitively seem to know how to proceed in cricket and you stink at math, than it's probably 501! Wink
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