Should S.A teams break up to mentor the A division players?

Discussion in 'MINUTE MAN Dart League (MMDL)' started by Chitown599, Mar 15, 2010.

  1. shady3900

    shady3900 New Member

    im not a huge fan of the 301s either i like the format now but its a compromise to shorten the night and maybe give lesser teams a better shot at grabbing some points
     
  2. kirby

    kirby New Member

    That would mean that the "ones" that want to do it would have to bust up their teams "now" half way thru the season theoretically right??? Boy that should go over well.. :roll: If I saw more than 15 names willing to do it I'd be surprized, But its what has to be done if thats what they want..I'll be watching.. :wink: Good post Adam..
     
  3. Chitown599

    Chitown599 Administrator Staff Member Site Admin Site Moderator

    I really don't think it would be advantageous to put perspecctive teams out there before the present season ends. It's hard enough to get a full team to show up, without letting players know they won't be asked back. I would wait until the season and playoffs are over, before doing this. JMHO.
     
  4. jakesy

    jakesy New Member

    Which is why the issues of Super A seems to be and impossible ones.
    Seems no matter what opinions or proposals that are put forward the S.A. membership itself seems hellbent to shoot itself in the foot. It boggles the mind.

    Well said Skiz, your far more articulate than I
    :wink:
     
  5. Iceberg

    Iceberg New Member

    Skiz,
    I believe your proposal is backwards. IHMO, first the BOD should make its decision and formalize the format for Fall 2010. Then the league membership should organize based on the format as determined by the BOD.

    Having a large number of players create hypothetical teams for a hypothetical format makes no sense.

    Am I missing something here?
     
  6. kirby

    kirby New Member

    Jeff, not speaking for Adam but I think he's trying to prove a valid point, there are just not enough players "Super A" included that would be willing to make this work..All he's saying is show me, seeing as he handles the Super A division himself..
     
  7. Iceberg

    Iceberg New Member

    Inertia is a powerful force... I am afraid it will prove to be overpowering.
     
  8. Chitown599

    Chitown599 Administrator Staff Member Site Admin Site Moderator

    Paul,
    At the risk of sounding like I'm whining, it just isn't a good idea to do this before the season ends, for obvious reasons.
    And not speaking for Jeff, I think what he wants is the league to make a decision, and have the players form their teams to conform with the league.
     
  9. Skizrock

    Skizrock Moderator Staff Member Site Moderator

    I hear all sides, showing your hand may alienate some players, and Jeff makes sense about what order things should be done, only that interest with numbers should be proven before we commit. Because if Super A as we know it is going to change, whether its a return to the old format (with two out of three cricket :) ) or smaller teams, or a special A, Super A schedule. Something is going to be differant this fall. Just how different is going to be partically dictated by the interest in smaller rosters for Super A.
     
  10. GT

    GT New Member

    I don't think Skiz is looking to have the small roster idea completely fleshed out, but does need more and better information to consider it as a real possiblity. Without some hard information, all ideas are equally realistic.

    "In God we trust, all others bring data."
    --W. Edwards Deming
     
  11. jakesy

    jakesy New Member

    Not speaking for Skiz either but wasn't the statement made several times here that the BOD should not on it's own dictate roster size, format or policy for S.A.
    Have a S.A. meeting and vote on a few proposals get the direction the majority of S.A. wants to go. you can do this without forming fictitious teams etc... Seems like the logical start point. But it should be done soon so the kinks can get worked out over the summer.
    I think the fact that this goes round and round is that S.A. talks a lot on here but for all intents and purposes isn't very pro active in determining it's own destiny. JMO
     
  12. DEREK

    DEREK Active Member

    jakesy...when we have done that in the past..as far as a meeting for SA players...we ended up with about 4 super A players and 15 A players that were all saying how they wouldn't want to play in sa or the format was too long...it is very hard to get people to a meeting. With personal lives and work and kids and such it is just not real easy to do...that is why we had a super A comittee with reps from each area on it...that is how we got the format changes we wanted...so if anything we need to do that again...but we need the support to follow through from the BOD with whatever format/roster the comittee votes on...and if people don't show up for the meetings then it is their own fault...so when the league changes the way SA is in the fall, they would have to live with it.
     
  13. pineapplebimbo

    pineapplebimbo New Member

    no way! i don't want to be mentored by anyone, leave the sa players to do what they do best - perform - you can learn just as much by watching and paying attention, tuesday night is not the only time these sa players play, go to a tournament or a lod and play them or with them(if your lucky enough) and you will learn plenty. don't be shy, you can even ask them questions, believe me they do not bite :lol:
     
  14. Triple-B

    Triple-B New Member

    I dont know what happend but but before there was internet the price of wining an A state championship or your area gave you a spot in Super A.Yes some diddnt like this but this was the RULE.Like I have said before do you see Baltimore saying we cant beat the Yankees or the Red Sox so can you send us down to AAA. :roll:
     
  15. pmack81

    pmack81 New Member

    Or BBB even (in my best Snaggle Puss voice) Sorry Bill, I had too. It was just too easy :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  16. Chitown599

    Chitown599 Administrator Staff Member Site Admin Site Moderator

    Billy, if possible, we are trying to keep from forcing teams up, into S.A.

    I know I will probably be accused of whining, but so be it, here it is.

    Forcing teams to play in S.A. creates 2 things. (1) teams complaining all season, due to not being able to compete, and (2) by forcing teams to play in S.A. that don't belong there, just weakens the division.

    Now, as I see it, there are said to be 2 ways to keep the above 2 things from happening. (1) we can go to smaller rosters, hoping it will create more teams, or (2) we split up the top teams, and take on A division players to mentor, to fill out the roster.

    Well I like option 3. We let all the teams form anyway they want. If the stacked teams want to stay together, that's fine. If some of the top teams want to split up and mentor A division players, that's fine too.
    I see nothing good out of forcing teams to split up. People want to play with teammates they feel comfortable with, bottom line.
    Those A division players who truly want to play in S.A. need to band together, like it was suggested and take the challenge S.A. poses. Those who think they are good enough, come to the LOD's or tournaments and showcase your talents. If you are indeed good enough, you will be asked to play. Those who aren't good enough, do the same thing, and with time and practice, hopefully you soon will be good enough.
    The main thing to remember is, you need to put in the time, like we all did.
    We didn't ask teams to break up, in order to expedite our rise to the top division. No, we got our butts beat by constantly playing people better than us, until one day, we found that we were winning more than losing. You want to do it right, that's the right way to do it. OK, I am done whining, as opinions here are called. So you can agree, or disagree, that is your choice, or "opinion".
     
  17. ELECTROMAN

    ELECTROMAN New Member

    I couldn't agree with you more Frank.

    Let the shooters that want to play together stay together.
    You cant expect a team that is not happy to shoot well.

    The only reason i like the force up rule is that it keeps teams that become good from dominating thier division.

    My team went to the A division state finals in 2002 and lost 12 to 0 to a super A team from central that wouldnt move up because they didn't want to travel to boston.And threatened to quit if forced.
    Unfortunately for us the BOD at the time allowed them to stay in A division.
    This really sucked for us.
     
  18. VMoe

    VMoe New Member

    Same thing happened to us back in 98'. 12-2. They stayed in A and we went up. Go figure.
     
  19. jakesy

    jakesy New Member

    Being one who is very much into semantics and the human condition, I particularly enjoy observing people's tactics lent towards the art of manipulation which some do consciously and others unconsciously.

    I find it interesting that this subject matter morphed from "splitting" rosters and adding A shooters to level the competition somewhat and making the 14 weeks prior to the playoffs meaningful, expanding the division and thereby ensuring it's survival, to asking S.A. teams to "breakup" to form some sort of mentoring system.
    This was a very good example of the above that i enjoyed very much :lol:
    Thank You
    Your validation is apparent when you get responses like.... "no way, i don't want to be mentored by anybody". Mission accomplished. :wink:
     
  20. kirby

    kirby New Member

    I've been "mentoring" youngins for years and when they get sick of me and finally learn "themselves" what to do and how to do it they tell me to screw and to get lost.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Mission accomplished.. :wink: :wink: :wink:
     

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