Blind Draw, Parity Draws, Lucks and such

Discussion in 'General Dart Talk' started by Erik, Oct 6, 2018.

  1. Erik

    Erik Site Owner Staff Member Site Admin Site Moderator

    As some of you know, I've struggled a lot the last 2+ years but have kept working on it. It's rough, but I, like many before more, am still at it :)

    Last night Darci and I went and played in a parity draw (this is a soft tip thing where they randomly draw partners out of two pools, the higher ranked player pool and the lower ranked pool). It wasn't a strict parity draw, I don't think, but close enough.

    I noticed, throughout the night that cricket averages were right around the same all night, usually right about 2mpr for each team. It was an interesting observation. I played with a gentleman who either was very new, or just not coordinated well enough to play well. He was rated a 2 which means he averages around 1.2 to 1.3 mpr in cricket and I'm currently rated a 10 (yes, that's not very good but it is what it is these days) and am rated to average around 2.8 to 2.99mpr. Our overall average was usually above 2 and sometimes not much under 3 and the matches were always pretty close! It's always tough in a handicapped shoot mind you as the higher rated teams give up marks in cricket and points in 01. For example, when playing two 3's, so a team rated as a 6, we gave up 6 marks in cricket. One of every number and bull except the 15. Talk about a challenge. OK, the real challenge is when I was rated a 12 and sometimes giving up 14 marks in cricket. Think about that! Starting a match 14 marks behind and they get to start first. It's tough.

    But here's the thing, I had fun. The dartitis only came back when I tried to play better which usually always means I do not but when I, as VanO put it, play with indifference I shot well.

    Anyway, if you don't play in blind draws, lucks or parity shoots I encourage you to do so! The truth is, they are a fun way to spend an evening with like minded folks and who knows, you might even toss a few good games :D and if not, toss back a few good ones! Or both ;)

    Cheers
    Erik
     
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  2. Squiggle

    Squiggle Active Member

    Blind draws are a lot of fun. I really enjoy them. We have several every week in the Nashville area. I agree with you Erik. If anyone hasn't attended a blind draw, you should really check it out.

    I played soft tip darts for several years. When I was introduced to darts (many, many moons ago), it was through soft tip darts. For many years, it was the only option I had. There were no steel tip boards or draws where I lived at that time. I played in mpr handicapping leagues and played NDA and Bullshooter events. Then I was introduced to steel tip. I started practicing on a steel tip board using conversion points and it made the doubles and triple segments on a soft tip board seem huge on league nights. Then I started going to ADO tournaments and other steel tip events and loved how they weren't handicapped. I understand the concept of handicapping and why they do it. It's made to level the playing field, and if people were more honest, that's exactly how it would work. But the soft tip world has a serious issue with sandbagging. Sorry about going off subject, and I know this isn't the right place for it, but it really turned me off the soft tip tournament game. I still have soft tip barrels in case it's the only option, and I will play soft if I have to, but I don't care to try to compete in those events anymore.
     
  3. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    We had this issue come up on another thread a few months back. What you both say is very true. I haven’t done in darts but I did those events in golf. Lots of fun no matter you skill level but I guess sandbgging is part of human nature. Just too bad!
     
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  4. Erik

    Erik Site Owner Staff Member Site Admin Site Moderator

    Yup. We see it a lot. Sometimes we ask ourselves if that's really what it is but then we can't see it any other way. Here's the thing, maybe it isn't sandbagging, maybe it's something else but I've never seen it in steel tip. In steel a player has no reason to sandbag for the most part. Sure, one can argue that to stay in their division they may not want to win the title but that wouldn't make sense right? Whereas in soft, if you win the night, say 10 of 19 legs, then why push on and stay focused and win the next 9? After all, you'll likely get pushed into the next division, better to back off, dial down the pressure and lose a few and stay where you are.....at least that is always how it looks. But that's in league, NOT blind draws :) In a blind draw I don't see the sandbagging though I do see players rated lower than I think they should be
     
  5. Squiggle

    Squiggle Active Member

    Yeah it's really sad. It was a great concept and can make for some very good matches, but sadly people take advantage of the system. I've known quite a few that just gave up on it altogether. They wanted to compete at the highest levels and wanted to reach the "pro" ranks at Bullshooters but later realized the truly better players were hiding in the lower divisions playing just good enough to barely pull out the win against clearly inferior opponents. To be fair, it's just a select few who do this. It's not the system as a whole and it really depends on your drive and goals as to whether it would actually be an issue with you. As far as blind draws and simple one day events, this is rarely going to be an issue and they are a great way to get some competition, meet new people and even introduce new people to the sport.
     
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  6. Robert Harner

    Robert Harner New Member

     
  7. Robert Harner

    Robert Harner New Member

    I am a soft tip player, so I love playing in the blind draws. Every since I came to Idaho and Oregon, I like that they do High/Low tournaments. I wish that there was more tournaments like that where I work in central Oregon/ and tri city Washington area.
    We came into a situation last where a player was rated a 2. He played so well throughout the nite that he could have easily been a 6 or higher. It sucks giving up 100pts in 01.

    It just makes us step up our game. It is what it is.
     
  8. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    Hi Robert! Welcome to the site!
     
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  9. Erik

    Erik Site Owner Staff Member Site Admin Site Moderator

    Welcome to the site Robert. We may have met if you played in the TC's long enough though it's been a while since I played any soft there and it was only a short while. Are you in Portland now?
     
  10. Robert Harner

    Robert Harner New Member

    I am pretty sure we have not met. I went to ESPO's for a tournament, only had 5 players. I have been back three times, but no one has showed. So I quit trying. I have been working in Umatilla Or for 2 months.
     
  11. Erik

    Erik Site Owner Staff Member Site Admin Site Moderator

    Ahhh OK. I've played Steel at Espos but only occasionally. Back in the early 2000's though I ran weekend tournaments and a league as well as the Mid Columbia Open and was very active in steel as well as going to tournaments along the west coast
     

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