Are you a tinkerer?

Discussion in 'Tools of the Trade' started by VanO, Oct 4, 2018.

  1. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    I am! I thought of posting this as a reply on Erik’s Viking Hammer thread but didn’t want to distract from Shot Darts. I recently purchased the Unicorn Phase 3 Gary Anderson Purist Ultracore. Tinkering with them has been a lot of fun and quite enlightening. For those of you who are not familiar these are ultra customizable. Gram weights from 17-26 and adjustable for balance point from front to back and middle as well as high inertia setups. That combined with stem length and flight size and shape these are a tinkerers dream/nightmare. Fun to find out(like I have) that what you thought was your best setup and what you preferred is not what’s best for you at all!
     
  2. Erik

    Erik Site Owner Staff Member Site Admin Site Moderator

    Those remind me of the old Accudart that you could adjust the weight on in 1g increments. That was back in the 70's!
     
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  3. Squiggle

    Squiggle Active Member

    I was and still am a bit of a tinkerer. I was always trying new barrels and then adjusting shaft lengths and flight sizes trying to find the perfect combination. Everyone would tell me that it was affecting my game (negatively) but I just couldn't stop. Finally I came across a set of barrels on a random site with no brand name and this really cool ring grip design. They were 80% tungsten but only $18.95 for just the barrels. I couldn't pass up the deal! I got them about 2 years ago. They weren't as closely matched in weight as I usually prefer (hey, they were less than 20 bucks so it was expected) but they weren't way off. Less than a gram difference between the 3. Still, the grip was wonderful and they flew straight. I got a second set and between the 6 barrels I found 3 that were within 100th of a gram of each other. They're all I've used for almost 2 years now. I have played with shaft length and flight size just a little. I've moved to a slightly longer shaft (somewhere between short and medium most of the time) and I went from standard Shape flights to full size Standard flights.

    One of my team mates is a serious tinkerer. It's gotten bad. We had to sit him down and have a little chat with him. He would bring 3 sets of darts with him to league (various weights and shapes) and would swap darts several times during a leg of a match! His consistency is all over the place because of this. We talked to him and said to do the tinkering during practice at home and bring just one set to league and "ride or die" with that set for the night. If it's bad, switch to a different set next week. He knew it was causing him problems so he agreed. Well, Wednesday he showed up with just one set. We were so proud. Then we saw it. In the doubles matches, between throws he'd be running over to his case and swapping flights and shafts. He just can't help himself. I think he's trying to fix a problem in his head by changing his darts. Of course since the darts aren't the problem, it just gets worse. I'm a tinkerer, but wow... there's got to be a limit.
     
  4. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    That’s nearly a psychosis! I’m not like that but I have always liked to tinker to make sure I had the best individual setup of the equipment. It was lofts and lie angles and shaft length head weight etc etc in golf. Now this kind of thing with the darts. These are neat in that there is several setups and they can be played steel or soft. Ringed grip on these probably kinda like yours Squiggle.
     
  5. Erik

    Erik Site Owner Staff Member Site Admin Site Moderator

    Squiggle, this is part of the reason I carry ONE set of darts with me, one set of shafts and flights and that's it!
     
  6. Squiggle

    Squiggle Active Member

    Me too! Even though I'm a tinkerer. I tinker at home! I do all the adjusting while I'm in my gameroom. When it's league night or a tournament, I only take 1 set of darts and just a spare set of flights and shafts that are the exact same as what I'm currently using. The biggest mistake I made was buying a new set of darts at a tournament and then deciding to play with them that day. So dumb. So let that be a lesson to you folks! Don't Tinker in public! Tinker at home! hahahahaha.
     
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  7. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    I never tinker in public! Way to take it to PG-13 Squiggle! :D Anyway the great golfer Sam Snead said something like “ya gotta dance with the girl ya brought” referring to trying to correct ball flight during a round.
     
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  8. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    I know it may have been discussed somewhere else on the forum but I have recently begun to focus on the overall length of the dart. All too often we hear about barrel weight and length and thickness. Also a whole plethora of other characteristics without much focus on the total length. I have recently tried to setup all the darts I have in my collection at the same playing length. It was a bit of a challenge as I have several different barrel lengths and some older darts in 1/4 inch that needed addagrams to adapt to 2ba shafts. Surprisingly I am consistently accurate with all of them regardless of battle weight(ranging 18-30 gram)The barrel weight balance point issue is repaired by flight weight and size almost instantly. Anyone wanna share any thoughts?
     
  9. Erik

    Erik Site Owner Staff Member Site Admin Site Moderator

    I have done similar testing over the years and indeed length matters ;)

    However, the heavier the dart the more forgiving it seemed but the less easy to finess.
     
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  10. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    I agree on the weight issue. It just seemed funny to me that when I got most of my darts tuned the all had similar overall length. Long barrels with shorter shafts and vice versa. I used to play with really heavy darts and vodka(Voks) moving points because one of the places I played had forced air heating near the boards and really worn out boards!
     
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  11. kennyg

    kennyg Member

    Okay so I thought That this may be appropriate here. I guess you may say I'm an ultimate tinkerer as of just recently that is. So had a good day in the shop today. Made some modifications to the lathe that were badly needed have to do adjusting tomorrow then back to tinkering. Before I go though thought that I would show you guys one that I did yesterday.
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    60mm x 8mm at widest point groves every 2mm except for one at 4mm steel dart at 16g. This is a good candidate for VanO's ultra core weights but needs to be drilled out.
     
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  12. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    Nice work!!! Shark grip style grooves very modern professional looking dart! Did you make the points too?
     
  13. bulldozer

    bulldozer Member

    I am always tinkering with my darts and setup, at present I am playing the best steeltip darts of my life with some One80 nighthunter Sting 24g tungsten darts with medium length Target Titanium G4 stems and the tiny vision pro flights.
    I have slowly gone up in darts weight from 18 to 21 to 22 to 24 grams after starting back after 12 years away from throwing a dart with 26g which I dismissed at the time.
    I have found that the heavier barrel weight is better for my control over the dart along with the small flights.
    I wanted to go up in weight again with the same One80 night hunter Sting barrels but 24G is the max so I set out to source some heavier darts to tinker some more he he.
    I almost bought some Unicorn Rosso 26G darts but then I saw some barrels on Custom made Darts website. 28.3 grams and I decided to give them a try and I bought them instead, they should arrive in the mail tomorrow and my dartboard is going to get even more stick than usual, lol. CMD-017_1024x1024.jpg .
     
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  14. bulldozer

    bulldozer Member

    I got the darts Today and they are fantastic the dimensions are the same as my excellent 24 g One 80 Night hunter sting darts even though they are 28.3 grams except they are about 3 mm longer barrel length.

    The grips are fantastic, I find them grippy enough to feel confident that they will not slip on the throw but they are so easy to release, no slight left or right tug from the fingers and the extra 4.3 grams of weight makes it effortless in the actual throw and for me the heavier weight means more control with less effort. It was George Silberzahn who said in his book that a dart player ought to begin by using the heaviest darts that you feel comfortable with and from my tests he is quite right.

    I can certainly recommend the workmanship of the darts from Custom Made Darts in the UK and I am glad that I have a product that is original looking with top class workmanship. I will be testing these at the darts Club Tomorrow night and I am sure it will go very well. Time will tell.
     
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  15. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    Those are good lookers! Glad to hear they fit your hand. I am paying close attention to things to really refine the mechanics of the stroke.
     
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  16. kennyg

    kennyg Member

    With the exception of the grips they appear to be almost if not identical to the P Taylor darts how could you go wrong with that;)
     
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  17. bulldozer

    bulldozer Member

    Hi kennyg, yes all these shape of darts are a copy of the Original darts that John Lowe used to great effect all of his career, they are very similar to the Unicorn darts used by Phil Taylor but at 28.30 grams per barrel , just that crucial 2.3grams per dart heavier which is why I wanted to try them.
    The Night hunter stings I was using are great darts of that shape too and a third of the price of the 26G Taylor darts but the weight of the Nighthunter Stings only goes up to 24 grams.

    The grips are the real bonus because for me, the release is even truer and easier than with the ring type grips I was sold on this shape of dart after using many many different designs before coming back to the Bomb type shape with the One80 Stings.
    And now finally I think that I have found the dart barrel that I will stick with, time will tell, lol.
     
  18. bulldozer

    bulldozer Member

    Hi VanO, I have been doing the same and I was reading a book that I purchased online
    Darts Beginning to End by George Silberzahn where he said to use the heaviest darts that you felt comfortable with as a heavier dart will help to eliminate slight imperfections with the fingers at release.

    From my tests so far George is spot on and as the darts I have are the same size as the 24gram darts that I were using in barrel width dimensions apart from being 3mm longer they weigh in at 28.3 grams so I have the same room in the treble, the same shape Barrel and the extra 4.30 grams per barrel to play with.

    Right away it seems my brain can process the extra weight better when trying to slightly alter the height of my aim. The grips are unusual, I have seen nothing quite like them but they are great for me.

    The bottom line is that when I get them in my hand that I feel confident that I am going to throw well with them and that is a huge part of playing darts.
    The extra weight in these condensed barrels along with these unusual grips has helped my release technique instantly.
    I am going to test them at the club tonight against some opposition, lol.
     
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  19. VanO

    VanO Moderator Site Moderator

    I have read it and George is on to it certainly. Murray “Moe” Norman the great Canadian golfer played with heavier clubs because he believed it was more difficult to move them off path once they were in motion. I have known a great many golfers who believed a heavier putter was better for the same reasoning. I do believe that there is a reason why most pros golf clubs and darts are neither overly heavy or light. I think the average PDC players dart is like 23g or so. My feeling is that it is because that gives them the best combination of control and finesse, art and knack as I might sometimes say. All that being said, your nickname is Bulldozer and I think a guy with a name like that should play with “beefy” juggernauts for darts! :D
     
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  20. bulldozer

    bulldozer Member

    Hi VanO my Bulldozer Moniker is from my pro wrestling time, that is me in the photo lifting the other guy over my head. lol but yes the beefy juggernauts as you put it do actually suit me, lol.
     

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